{"id":33275,"date":"2023-11-05T21:05:55","date_gmt":"2023-11-05T20:05:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.groupe-aquitain-spp.fr\/?p=33275"},"modified":"2024-12-11T20:21:56","modified_gmt":"2024-12-11T19:21:56","slug":"le_clivage_du_moi_normal-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.groupe-aquitain-spp.fr\/index.php\/2023\/11\/05\/le_clivage_du_moi_normal-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Le clivage du moi normal"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"33275\" class=\"elementor elementor-33275\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-73d1f90 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"73d1f90\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-e5b2a90\" data-id=\"e5b2a90\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a055558 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"a055558\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>La question de l\u2019existence d\u2019un clivage du moi normal se pose au moins depuis 1908, quand Freud a montr\u00e9 qu\u2019il existe chez l\u2019enfant un clivage normal entre moi-plaisir et moi-r\u00e9alit\u00e9. J\u2019ai repris la question sous cet angle dans un article \u00e0 para\u00eetre dans le Journal de psychanalyse de l\u2019enfant.<\/p><p>Elle a pris une importance nouvelle \u00e0 l\u2019occasion du d\u00e9bat entre Bleuler et Freud sur la schizophr\u00e9nie en 1911. Bleuler faisait de la perte des associations, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire du clivage, le seul trouble primaire de la d\u00e9mence pr\u00e9coce, qu\u2019il a rebaptis\u00e9 \u00ab\u00a0schizophr\u00e9nie\u00a0\u00bb pour cette raison. Freud soutient que ce n\u2019est pas le clivage, mais l\u2019abolition de la r\u00e9alit\u00e9, suivie de la cr\u00e9ation d\u2019une n\u00e9o-r\u00e9alit\u00e9 d\u00e9lirante, qui est essentielle, et c\u2019est pourquoi il aurait voulu imposer le terme de \u00ab\u00a0paraphr\u00e9nie\u00a0\u00bb. J\u2019ai repris cette discussion dans un livre d\u2019entretiens avec Liuba Rakova-Carron, \u00e0 para\u00eetre, qui s\u2019appellera \u00ab\u00a0Pourquoi des psychanalystes?\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p><p>\u00a0Il r\u00e9sulte de cette discussion une description par Freud des clivages normaux du moi inconscient, qui se d\u00e9forme et se clive pour servir chacun de ses trois ma\u00eetres. J\u2019en ai parl\u00e9 dans mon article \u00ab\u00a0Les cavaliers du dimanche\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p><p>G\u00e9rard Bayle, dont nous d\u00e9plorons la disparition r\u00e9cente avait repris l\u2019ensemble de ces questions dans son rapport au Congr\u00e8s des Psychanalystes de Langue Fran\u00e7aise de 1996, &#8220;Le clivage et les d\u00e9faillances de la fonction synth\u00e9tique du Moi\u00a0\u00bb. Il y avait apport\u00e9 une solution originale en distinguant \u00ab\u00a0clivage structurel\u00a0\u00bb et \u00ab\u00a0clivage fonctionnel\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>La question de l\u2019existence d\u2019un clivage du moi normal se pose au moins depuis 1908, quand Freud a montr\u00e9 qu\u2019il existe chez l\u2019enfant un clivage normal entre moi-plaisir et moi-r\u00e9alit\u00e9. J\u2019ai repris la question sous cet angle dans un article \u00e0 para\u00eetre dans le Journal de psychanalyse de l\u2019enfant. 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